i got a quicksilver some time ago and it came with os 10 installed but no os 9 . This week I put on os9 on it only to find that there is no support for os9 at the ati site. the machine wold crash after startup. i did find that is would run with extensions off or if you pulled the ati acceleration extension files to the desk top it would boot and run. i did find a site that had an copy of the ati software that fixed the problem finally. FYI

ok, well what would the website be?

he more than likely went to web archive and went to the old ATI site.

or he is talking about a totally different site. if he is he should post the site where he got it from
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That's pretty reassuring. There's a 100% chance that the site to which he refers is on the Internet. Cool.

Now if we could just narrow that down a bit, and possibly document its location, or duplicate that file in such a way that it could be easier for others to find too.
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i did a google on ATI retail updates and a few places popped up

http://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=ATI+Retail+Update&btnG=Search

also web archive pulled up this

http://web.archive.org/web/20050212132639/www.ati.com/support/drivers/mac/macos-jan-2005-update.html

but if you click on to download, it takes you to AMD/ATI site but they are fresh out of drivers for Mac OS 9
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Hmm. I've got the CD that shipped with the ATI card. I suppose I could dig out the drivers and post them for anyone who wants them. Would that be helpful?

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how big would the disk image be, cause there has to be software on them that isn't in the driver updates (like some lacked the ATI display's). i looked allot for the driver disk for a Radeon card but cant find them online ( or i was looking in the wrong place)
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It would be helpful if someone uploaded the latest version of the ATI OS 9 drivers (are yours the newest ones?). I know that some of you have them as it's been discussed before, but I could never find any that I could be sure were the right ones (and don't want to risk installing the wrong ones) and no-one seemed to want to upload them. As long as they're under 100 MB (which they definitely should be), you can just put them on RapidShare.com for us
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For what it is worth, the ATI Universal Installer (covers at least the Rage 128) is already on this here server. What's the point of having bandwidth if we don't use it, eh?

http://www.ppcmla.com/downloads/ATI_Universal_4.2.sit.hqx

I'm working on the drivers that came with my Radeon 9200. Stay tuned. If I can dig up the ROM updater, I'll post that, too.

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Can anyone tell me what Core Image is good for, compared to Quartz Extreme, apart from gaming? I am wondering whether it is worth getting a Core Image capable card for a DA or not. My main uses are basically internet surfing and music production.

It basically makes ever ything faster, and a few of the Pro Apps require it.

Your system is already running CoreImage, it's just that with an actual CI-capable card, it runs the CI tasks on the GPU, not the CPU, thus speeding *everything else* up as well as speeding the graphics up.
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Kay, so it would free up CPU cycles to do music stuff, for example? See I thought that's what QE was for.

yeah but its like QE+ Deluxe.

From what I'm reading on wikipedia and at Apple, it doesn't sound like the OS uses it much. Can anyone correct me on that?

If you are still looking for the Radeon 9200 driver for OS 9, I've made it available from the PPCMLA downloads. This is the driver that came on the CD with the card. I think there was an update in 2004, but I can't really remember anymore, and I can't find any copies to download anyway.

http://www.ppcmla.com/downloads/ATI_Radeon_9200_-_OS9.sit.hqx

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Drew
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awesome thanks.

now, if i could only find the radeon mobility 9000 driver for OS9...

the OS does use CI some, you'll really notice it if you have dashboard enabled though, that's the biggest offender. It also makes a HUGE difference in apps like Aperture, which are very very heavily reliant on CoreImage. They'll work if you don't have a CI GPU, but what that does is put *all* of those calculations off onto the CPU, which slows everything else down too.
But I suppose it only really matters if you know you've got a lot of CI-heavy apps.
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I did find the driver after much searching. A gamer posted it for down load problem solved.

the 9200 card that is in my quicksilver is in a pci slot. When i check the about this mac it says that quartz extreme not supported under displays should it not be running does the lcd screen have to be quartz capable?

Quartz Extreme doesn't work with PCI cards by default. Some people claim that QE improves performance when enabled with a compatible card, others claim overall system degradation or destabilization.

Anyway, Apple doesn't support QE with PCI cards even if the card's chipset supports QE. You can enable it yourself by tweaking some text files, or you can use the handy dandy PCI Extreme tool. Note, however, that many people report serious problems after enabling QE for PCI cards on OS X 10.4.3+, so use caution if you are on Tiger.

Reports of success (or lack thereof) with Quartz Extreme enabled for PCI cards
DownloadPCI Extreme

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good point i want stability

what apg card would you recommend for a 1ghz quicksilver

What are your goals? Pretty much anything that isn't the Rage 128 supports Quartz Extreme. The only cards that work with Core Image are the Radeon 9600 and Radeon 9800. It is possible to flash other PC-destined cards (like the Nvidia GeForce FX5200) to work with Macs, and they will support CI okay. It is also possible to obtain the cast-off 8x AGP cards from G5s that support CI and hack them physically to work in the QuickSilver.

That said, if you have reasonable means, then invest in anything better than a Radeon 9000. If you are pinched for cash, look for a cast-off from an MDD G4 or something like that. The stock card (GeForce 4MX, I think) isn't awful, either. It'll probably do everything you want to do (except support Core Image).

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Drew
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alk I hate to be a bother but I also boot os 9.2.2 from time to time.

it would appear that the 9600 and 9800 are os x only i do not want to give up classic mac os yet (ever)

what do you think about the 9200 apg or the 9000 they will boot os9

ATI has Radeon 9200 drivers for Mac OS 9.2.2 for their PCI card, of course. I suspect they will work with flashed AGP cards, but I don't know from experience. The Radeon 8500 and 9000 should work fine in 9.2.2 with Apple's ATI drivers.

It is really unlikely that you'll see all the benefit of a 9600 or 9800 on a QuickSilver, anyway. The bottlenecks there will likely be in the CPU, not the video card. So the higher-end stock cards (GeForce 4MX, etc) are a pretty good match for whatever you are likely to want to do on a QuickSilver anyway. I'd stay away from the GeForce 2MX, though. And the Radeon 7500 seems to perform about as well as the GF4MX.

Peace,
Drew
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i am bidding on a 7500 they are not to expensive and it should be faster than the 9200 pci card i hope

wow i have the radion 7500 installed today it is a very noticable improvement thanks alk